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If someone from the 19th century were to step into the present day, what would they think of the world they encountered? They would undoubtedly be appalled. They would think that mankind had devolved into a cruder, more primitive state. And they'd be right. Oh, our technological advancements would impress them, of course. But they would find society and culture in a state of terrible decline. They would rue the severe social and artistic decay that would confront them at every turn: the music--primitive noise; television and magazines--the crudest vulgarity; gender relations in a state of perpetual friction, with masculine values regularly belittled, and with women taught to deny their femininity, and encouraged to behave in crude and aggressive ways. They would find ugliness all around them--in the art, in the architecture, and especially in the incomprehensibly androgynous, masculinized standard of appearance prescribed for women. Instead of progress, they would find rot. And at the end of the day, despite all of the impressive technical achievements of the past few decades, they would eagerly return to their own time--an age of nobler aspirations, of greater culture and civility, and of natural, complimentary relations between men and women. By contrast, if anyone living today were to step back into the Victorian age, they would think that they had entered a fantasy realm, an ideal world. They would marvel at the perfection of the arts. They would witness men behaving like gentlemen, and women behaving like ladies. And far from finding the relations between the sexes stiff or formal, they would discover that those long-forgotten customs and rites known as manners resulted in men treating women with great respect, and women holding men in high esteem. Alas, science is no closer to building a time machine than it was during H.G. Wells's day. However, by perusing the photographic record of the 19th century, we can at least catch a glimpse of the nobler and more beautiful world of a century ago. The first thing that catches the eye when one views postcards from the late 1800s is that the women are much more elegant and serenely beautiful than the "edgy," hyper-toned, plastic-looking beings that one sees in media culture today. The women of the 19th century appear soft and gentle, angelic even; vulnerable, and in need of protection. Their clothing is dream-like, their expressions idyllic, yet their eyes communicate tremendous depth of feeling. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Notice the soft, full arms of the actress depicted in this playbill. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() To return to our original premise, if someone from the present were to step into the Victorian age and be forced to return to the here-and-now, they would undoubtedly come back with one thought uppermost in their mind: "What can be done to infuse the modern world with some of the beauty and nobility of the past?" |
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I see a few images here that are rather artistically inspiring. Have you read Zaftig:The Case for Curves? You would really enjoy all the voluptuous imagery found in art history.
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It's been a while, but I remember that a review of Zaftig was one of the very first posts on this forum. The premise of the book is good, but it's haphazardly arranged, and the visual selections could have been better. As for voluptuous imagery in art history, the best collection I've ever seen is the Pinacotheca (art gallery) at this very Web site: http://www.judgmentofparis.com/pinacotheca/ It features hundreds of images of plus-size beauty from all periods of Western civlization, from Classical Greece to the First World War (after which art went into permanent decline). ![]() It really proves the point that the fuller female figure was the ideal of beauty in every century throughout history, before the modernist takeover in the 1900s. |
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When you look past modern propaganda and see the Victorian period for what it was, you discover that it was a beautiful time in which men and women were happier and more fulfilled, because they recognized the natural order of things and embraced it.
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All of the images are lovely, but this one struck me as especially beautiful and meaningful. What I noticed especially was that although there is a sewing machine in the picture, it isnt an image of mechanization at all. Sewing is still a folk art here (just with a new tool), and thanks to the flowers, the dress, the pose, everything, the impression is still an organic one. The Victorians confronted the rise of technology, but subsumed it into a romantic existence. It didnt dominate them - they humanized it. Today, the opposite has happened. Instead of techology being humanized, it is women who are becoming mechanized - from plastic implants to gym torture to career drudgery to cold, "tough," unemotional behavior. Media culture and modern ideology has taught women to be unnatural, but it turns out that maybe the natural, traditional way was better after all. It really makes a person long for that more beautiful time - which wasnt even all that long ago... |
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Thank you so much for sharing these. eBay is a surprisingly rich source of Victorian photography.
I noticed that the woman in "The Wedding Night" appears to be beginning to slip her robe off her shoulders. Her smile is sweetly innocent, yet holds a hint of sensuous anticipation. Once I noticed the position of the bride's hands, this image took my breath away with its subtle eroticism. |
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The women in all the images look so healthy, happy, and real.
Where did all this hysteria for an anorexic look come from? In my opinion, it came from the drug and diet companies wanting us to believe that we really are not good enough. The pictures are real treasures, thank you. |
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It may be off topic, but this is SO true. As much as femininity has been suppressed in the past few decades, masculinity has been under assault as well, and for the same misguded, politically-motivated reasons. It's amazing how much healthier the Victorian notion of manliness was - not surprisingly, since the Victorians simply embraced masculinity in its natural state. Young boys grew up reading literature that post-modernists now condemn as politically incorrect, but was actually wholesome and edifying - like the "Boys' Own Adventures" that appeared in magazines and novels, and then the grow-up equivalents penned by writers like R.M. Ballantyne (The Coral Island), H. Rider Haggard (King Solomon's Mines), Ruyard Kipling, etc. These stories taught young men basic principles like courage, self-reliance, resourcefulness, honour, loyalty, and thinking of something bigger than yourself. Plus, they were darned exciting tales. People today complain about how boys are falling behind in reading and doing poorly at school - well, small wonder, since the kinds of stories that appeal to them, and are in tune with their nature, are suppressed for ideological reasons. Instead of trying to re-shape young men and women into some kind of unnatural, androgynous beings (as the modern world tries to do), society should consider the possibility that maybe the more natural approach favoured by the Victorians was better after all. - - - - Anyway, that's tangential. The images in this thread are lovely, and they do testify to a nobler, more beautiful time. But pretty as the pictured girls are, none can hold a candle to Lillian Russell. No wonder Lillian was acknowledged as the reigning beauty of her day. She was to Victorian actresses what Shannon Marie is to plus-size models: no one can rival her beauty. |
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Thank you for the link to the Pinacotheca. I don't know why I haven't seen it before. It's good to see which art I'm familiar with and not. I was fortunate to see Gustave Courbet's, "The Bathers" earlier this year. That painting caused quite a stir in France because it showed women in all their voluptuousness!
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Going back over some of the 2008 posts, this was one of my favourites.
I don't know if anybody noticed this, but early in the year, Emily posted a link featuring several plus-size-model images (incl. Shannon Marie's and Kailee's) that were creatively filtered to look like Victoriana: http://www.judgmentofparis.com/boar...read.php?t=1306 The results were very successful, I think, especially comparing them with the authentic Victorian images in this thread. |
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