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Old 20th September 2006   #1
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Default India agrees: ''No skinny models''

Does it seem as if the whole world is emerging out of a coma?

Suddenly, people everywhere seem to be waking up and saying, "We don't need to put up with a thin-supremacist media!" India has now joined other nations in calling for a ban on emaciated models:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060919...india_models_dc

The article reads:
NEW DELHI (Reuters) - India does not want waif-like young women sashaying down the catwalk and acting as role models for thousands of girls who are starving themselves to get svelte figures, the Indian health minister said.

The minister's statement comes after the unprecedented decision taken by fashion organizers in Madrid this month to ban underweight models from walking the ramp, saying they wanted to project an image of beauty and health, not a waif-like look.

The Times of India newspaper quoted Anbumani Ramadoss on Tuesday as saying that many girls in India's cities and small towns were suffering from osteoporosis due to strict dieting...

It isn't just the country's health minister, either. The following Times of India editorial reveals just how unpopular the skeletal models really are, and how eagerly the public wants this ban:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...how/2007580.cms

The article states:
Keep super thin models out!

[19 Sep, 2006 2051hrs]

...say Mumbaiites, in a recent survey conducted by us, on whether ultra thin models should be banned on the ramp.

Thin is truly no longer in! And it's not just the sentiments of the international fashion industry which seems to have spouted a conscience overnight, banning emaciated, ultra thin models from walking the ramp.

Reacting to a recent BT story (No skin and bones on the ramp 15th September 2006) an overwhelming majority (86 per cent) of people felt that super thin models should be kept away from the ramp. "I am very glad with this new healthy trend.

The danger lies in allowing such models to continue being role models for thousands of young people around the world," says fashion design student Pooja Therava. "Fashion isn't about starvation and creating bad impression for those who follow fashion religiously.

It is about making people feel good about themselves through their self expression." What MBA student Karan Saluja can't understand about the waif look is that real people, leading normal lives don't look like that.

"Then why have people who bear no resemblance to anything human model the clothes?" says Karan vociferously...

Incidentally, that over-80% number in favour of banning the androgynous models is consistent with what I've been seeing in online polls on this issue everywhere, from CNN on down.

People are finally realizing that no one ever actually liked the starving models, except for the closed little circle with abnormal tastes that has run the fashion industry for decades.

It just never dawned on the public that they didn't have to put up with their tyranny, and that they could take back their own culture. Until now.
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Old 20th September 2006   #2
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Default Re: India agrees: ''No skinny models''

One of the most popular Goddesses in India and with Hindus worldwide is Lakshmi, the Goddess of Beauty, Abundance, and Food. She is usually pictured with a full figure and gold falling from her hands. She represents the true spirit of the Feminine in India, not starving models.

I read today that several Israeli firms have joined the movement to ban extremely thin models:

Israeli Firms Agree to Shun Skinny Fashion Models
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Old 21st September 2006   #3
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"Fashion isn't about starvation and creating [a] bad impression for those who follow fashion religiously. It is about making people feel good about themselves."

This is such a fundamental concept that it is astonishing how seldom it has been acknowledged--until now. There is absolutely no reason why fashion should induce discomfort and self-denial. Rather, as the most feminine of the design arts, it should be associated with the innately womanly sensations of pleasure and indulgence.

It makes no sense for garments to be crafted for flat surfaces. (Any designers who are so inclined should be making wallpaper, not women's clothing.) Rather, genuinely attractive styles only come to life when they embrace the sumptuous contours of a curvaceous human form. Fashion models should be selected on the basis of how completely their bones are submerged in the soft fullness of their figures--"clothed in flesh," as Chaucer writes in The Book of the Duchess--rather than on how their skeletons protrude beneath wasted skin. Only a well-rounded physique can exhibit fashion properly, filling it out to a pleasing shape (unless the apparel isn't feminine to begin with).


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Lakshmi, the Goddess of Beauty, Abundance, and Food . . . is usually pictured with a full figure and gold falling from her hands

It's uncanny how the attributes of this deity mirror those of her Classical equivalent, Venus. The Antique goddess of beauty is similarly associated with opulence, with appetite, and with copious self-indulgence ("Indulgence" even being the name given to Venus by the early Christian poet, Prudentius). This reinforces the notion that plus-size beauty is an essential human ideal, crossing boundaries of time and geography, undimmed and unchallenged even after a century of modernist suppression.

Wende Gauthier (5'8, size 14; Ford LA/Look SF) with an alluringly rapacious expression, styled in soft fabric that perfectly compliments her feminine charms:

- Wende at Ford L.A.


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Old 21st September 2006   #4
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It makes no sense for garments to be crafted for flat surfaces. (Any designers who are so inclined should be making wallpaper, not women's clothing.)


I couldn't agree more. Women are not clothes hangers, merely existing to exhibit any bizarre creation that a fashion designer dreams up. Countless women torture themselves to fit into clothing that should have been designed for their bodies, rather than clothing manufacturers assuming that women should be re-designed to fit their clothes.
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Old 28th September 2006   #5
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Default Re: India agrees: ''No skinny models''

A new article in a Canadian newspaper brings up the very same points that came up earlier in this thread:

http://www.therecord.com/NASApp/cs/...l=1024322199505

It quotes some people saying the right things, but it also shows just how entrenched the fashion industry is, how much they refuse to change.

This article claims that the designers really are the ones who are holding everything back, as the decisions lie with them:

Many people in the Canadian fashion industry are applauding the recent ban on super skinny models at Madrid Fashion Week...

I commend what's happening in Madrid,'' said Lisa Tant, editor-in-chief of Flare magazine.

"It's great somebody is bringing attention to the situation but it's not going to change unless designers change the size of their samples.''

The article also quotes Kelly Streit, president of Alberta-based Modemodels International, Inc., as bluntly saying the same thing:
"(Designers) are -- single-handedly -- the only ones who can change this,'' he said. "If designers make bigger samples, the models will be bigger.''

This is what it all comes down to. But the problem is that the industry is fixated on the idea that womens clothing cannot be made for women. Just listen to this nonsense:
"bigger busts and curvy hips don't work on the runway as they detract from the design."

This is exactly the warped thinking that Micki rightly ridiculed. It is not just a lie, its insane. It is a falsehood that is being presented as a "fact". Its like saying the sky doesnt "work" in blue, or that water doesnt "work" being wet. In all the images I have ever seen, clothing looks better on "busts and curvy hips". These designers simply have some sort of weird phobia of curves, and a bizarre fetish for emaciation - but thats their problem.

One thing is clear: since the fashion industry thinks the designers are "the only ones who can change this", and since the designers will obviously NEVER "change this" (not on their own), then outside intervention is necessary - a ban, regulation, everything.

There is no other way. The industry will clearly never change on its own. The tobacco industry would have never stopped advertising to minors, never admitted the poisonous nature of its product, if it hadnt been forced to do so. The same is true here. They will cling to their harmful standard - which causes fatal eating disorders and ruins lives - until they are forced to change their ways.
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Old 28th September 2006   #6
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Default Re: India agrees: ''No skinny models''

The best and most radical change must come from young designers with a new attitude about womanly beauty; young designers willing to create their own fashion houses, their own legacies, young designers who are not ideologically strapped to the misguided idea of Thinness = Beauty. Young designers with open minds who will not show disdain for the economic opportunities to be had by creating beautiful, haute couture for plus-size women.
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Old 29th September 2006   #7
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Default Re: India agrees: ''No skinny models''

I think the designers may be primarily responsible, but to blame them alone is insufficient. There was an article posted somewhere in the recent discussions about the Madrid ban, in which a designer was quoted as saying that he couldn't make larger samples because the magazines wouldn't photograph them - and he needed the publicity.

See? Everyone blames everyone else. No one wants to be the first to blink. This is an industry-wide problem. Bottom line - it has to change across the board. It has to be designers AND magazines AND agencies that all change simultaneously. And sadly, I think that will only happen when outside pressure is exerted, the way it was in Madrid.
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